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ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:29 am

I know it's a bit early, but it's already 2019 and I'm SO excited England is going to FINALLY win its first ODI World Cup, that I was wondering what your thoughts are on who the losing finalist will be.

Can't wait to see Eoin Morgan lift that Cup.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:06 am

I think England winning would be good for ODI cricket - because they play the most appealing form of odi cricket to attract new fans to the game.

Further - I think their approach is the best efficiently as well. If the pitch is flat - they score a lot of runs. If the pitch is tricky, all bowlers are tricky and they bat deep.

It's so simple but so effective. And great to watch.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:32 am

True.
This England squad is probably the strongest ever, capable of winning in all conditions.
Can't see them lose to any side, certainly not at home.
Only a few months ago they thrashed both Australia and BCCI.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:19 pm

raja wrote:True.
This England squad is probably the strongest ever, capable of winning in all conditions.
Can't see them lose to any side, certainly not at home.
Only a few months ago they thrashed both Australia and BCCI.


And NZ home and away, and SA home and away...

They're miles ahead of everyone else...

But being favourites is no guarantee of winning...
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Katto » Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:01 pm

Yes I think we can just about guarantee England of winning, they're really in a different league to everyone else as it is and they're playing at home.
Recent world cups have heavily favoured the home team.

I expect Australia won't make it past the QF if they even make it that far. The other finalist in all likelihood will be one of the usual suspects, India, Pakistan or South Africa.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby givemeahug786 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:20 am

Eng right now lost with no opener and poor form by root
25 times in test cricket >> team scored 700-800
Lost test matches -- Crickinfo says

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby givemeahug786 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:21 am

Eng vs India final likely but too early to say may be Eng not even reaches semi
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby sportzcraazy12 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:43 am

India, New Zealand and South Africa can make it to semi final. After the current performance of Australian team may be they can not even make it to quarter final.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby louie_db9 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:38 pm

Katto wrote:Yes I think we can just about guarantee England of winning, they're really in a different league to everyone else as it is and they're playing at home.
Recent world cups have heavily favoured the home team.

I expect Australia won't make it past the QF if they even make it that far. The other finalist in all likelihood will be one of the usual suspects, India, Pakistan or South Africa.


There are no quarter-finals. Top 4 go to semis.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Katto » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:49 am

louie_db9 wrote:
Katto wrote:Yes I think we can just about guarantee England of winning, they're really in a different league to everyone else as it is and they're playing at home.
Recent world cups have heavily favoured the home team.

I expect Australia won't make it past the QF if they even make it that far. The other finalist in all likelihood will be one of the usual suspects, India, Pakistan or South Africa.


There are no quarter-finals. Top 4 go to semis.


okay, then CA XI won't make it to the final 4

the round robin system will find them out as they're nowhere near a top 4 side

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Going South » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:33 am

What are the pool draws?

For once I don’t want the histrionics of placing BCCI & PCB in same pool.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Katto » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:53 am

Going South wrote:What are the pool draws?

For once I don’t want the histrionics of placing BCCI & PCB in same pool.


I believe everyone plays everyone once so you wont be able to avoid them

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:57 am

BCCI has an unbeaten record against us.
But we thrashed them in the last Champions Trophy final, so I'm hopeful that if we meet them again in English conditions, we might finally create history.

We reached the final the last time the ODI World Cup was held in England (in 1999), remember?

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Going South » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:34 pm

I want dhonj win another worldcup and retire in class

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby The Third Man » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:55 pm

If England don't win this one it will be the bottle-job of all time. India and NZ to get to the last 4 at least. Hard to predict the other semi finalist at this early stage. South Africa or Pakistan are capable and (right now this may sound dumb af) I'm not going to completely rule out the Aussies - I'm assuming Smith and Warner will be back?

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:56 am

The Third Man wrote:If England don't win this one it will be the bottle-job of all time. India and NZ to get to the last 4 at least. Hard to predict the other semi finalist at this early stage. South Africa or Pakistan are capable and (right now this may sound dumb af) I'm not going to completely rule out the Aussies - I'm assuming Smith and Warner will be back?


To be honest - I fancy Pakistan more than NZ or SA...
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1864 ... sa-2018-19

SA is short on power runs with no ABdV... they have plenty of bowling, they have plenty of seam all-round options, but Tahir as their main spinner hurts the team balance still.

Pakistan and England have balance. India has matchwinners like Rohit, Kohli, Kuldeep and Bumrah.

NZ is struggling for balance. Munro is not scoring runs, and the big hitters like CdG and Neesham problem remains in the All Round stats, they're still unreliable bowlers. NZ is still a death bowler short.

NZ does not have a team to win it without some luck and players playing out of their skin - but certainly could make the semi's.

Aus seems content to play yesterday cricket - so they're only middling at best too. Yes, they have Warner, Finch, Marsh, Starc, Cummins, Maxwell, Stoinis - but they play so yesterday style.

1 Eng
2 Ind
3 Pak

Middling

NZ, SA, Bang and Aus

Jokes

WI
SL

With Afg to produce some upsets but probably not enough of them...
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:53 am

I agree.

Since the last time a World Cup was hosted in England was way back in 1999, the best tournament we have for reference is the last Champions Trophy - in which Pakistan THRASHED BCCI in the final.
TROUNCED BCCI in the final.
WHIPPED BCCI in the final.
HAMMERED BCCI in the final.
WALLOPED BCCI in the final.

(Whew! That felt SO good. :grin: )

So I'd consider us to be serious contenders this time too.

England, BCCI, Pakistan definitely top 3 contenders.
We just need to ensure our batting doesn't let us down.
I have faith in our bowlers.
Just hope all the players are fit.
Go Pakistan!

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:59 am

West Indies are unpredictable - I wouldn't put it past them to get to the semis.

I agree about SL though - sadly, they're a joke of a side right now.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:10 am

raja wrote:West Indies are unpredictable - I wouldn't put it past them to get to the semis.

I agree about SL though - sadly, they're a joke of a side right now.


WI are a joke.

They need massive and fast Hetmeyer, Lewis, and Hope scores too often to win consistently.

They don't have a plan B. And plan A is asking too much from them. Too many passengers in the top order.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:14 am

raja wrote:I agree.

Since the last time a World Cup was hosted in England was way back in 1999, the best tournament we have for reference is the last Champions Trophy - in which Pakistan THRASHED BCCI in the final.
TROUNCED BCCI in the final.
WHIPPED BCCI in the final.
HAMMERED BCCI in the final.
WALLOPED BCCI in the final.

(Whew! That felt SO good. :grin: )

So I'd consider us to be serious contenders this time too.

England, BCCI, Pakistan definitely top 3 contenders.
We just need to ensure our batting doesn't let us down.
I have faith in our bowlers.
Just hope all the players are fit.
Go Pakistan!


This time BCCI will do a surgical strike on Pakistan a la URI.

Pakistan will not know what hit them.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:22 am

Regarding my pre World Cup thoughts, I am not counting India among the favourites, semis there is a chance. india's middle order is weak and is not reliable.

My apprehensions regarding England and South Africa are the following - the ' choke ' factor.

In a big game, you have to play your A game.

I still remember Gatting's reverse sweep that cost England the 1987 WC.

In 1992, Neil Fairbrother played the role of Bevan, but Pakistan's quality was too good.

England have always missed the bus.

The quality and team to win the WC is there for England, who are the favourites, but is there 'the fire in the belly' ? The ability to raise the game in pressure situations in WC. I have seen that ability in Australia maximum times, followed by India and Pakistan, and in the WI of 70's and early 80's.

NZ too have quality, but to win the World Cup you need to deliver the 'killer' punch.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:29 am

bolero wrote:Regarding my pre World Cup thoughts, I am not counting India among the favourites, semis there is a chance. india's middle order is weak and is not reliable.

My apprehensions regarding England and South Africa are the following - the ' choke ' factor.

In a big game, you have to play your A game.

I still remember Gatting's reverse sweep that cost England the 1987 WC.

In 1992, Neil Fairbrother played the role of Bevan, but Pakistan's quality was too good.

England have always missed the bus.

The quality and team to win the WC is there for England, who are the favourites, but is there 'the fire in the belly' ? The ability to raise the game in pressure situations in WC. I have seen that ability in Australia maximum times, followed by India and Pakistan, and in the WI of 70's and early 80's.

NZ too have quality, but to win the World Cup you need to deliver the 'killer' punch.


Yeah India have a huge balance and middle order problem that Pakistan and England don't have. But India also has arguably more match winners and will have home crowd advantage in every single game. So it's impossible to write them off.

NZ's world cup to win kicks off in Japan in September, but Ireland are poised to spoil that party - NZ won't win this cricket cup without some luck from at least 2 of Muno, CdG and/or Neesham going beserk and getting fortunate... Same middle order balance problems as India - but without a death bowler...

Its basically going to be matchwinners (of which India has many) vs well drilled and balanced England and Pakistan cricket machines.

Hats off to Mickey Arthur and England selectors for getting so settled - so far out...
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Going South » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:41 am

raja wrote:I agree.

Since the last time a World Cup was hosted in England was way back in 1999, the best tournament we have for reference is the last Champions Trophy - in which Pakistan THRASHED BCCI in the final.
TROUNCED BCCI in the final.
WHIPPED BCCI in the final.
HAMMERED BCCI in the final.
WALLOPED BCCI in the final.

(Whew! That felt SO good. :grin: )

So I'd consider us to be serious contenders this time too.

England, BCCI, Pakistan definitely top 3 contenders.
We just need to ensure our batting doesn't let us down.
I have faith in our bowlers.
Just hope all the players are fit.
Go Pakistan!

Aghhhhh kids running amok here !

Some people sure live in the past. Sigh!

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:44 am

This is the best chance for England to win the World Cup.

If they goof up, they have themselves to blame.

RSA perennial dark horses.

Personally, I dont mind NZ winning WC and would welcome it. They have to get over the tag of the perennial semi finalists.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:08 am

bolero wrote:This is the best chance for England to win the World Cup.

If they goof up, they have themselves to blame.

RSA perennial dark horses.

Personally, I dont mind NZ winning WC and would welcome it. They have to get over the tag of the perennial semi finalists.


Ironically - that's the highest level of any ICC event NZ will ever host. So it's a fitting tag. :)

NZ will never likely take cricket seriously and the ICC will never likely take NZ seriously. So its a bit much to expect NZ to up its ante. The NZ Government and Corporates pours millions into Sailing in NZ - that only gets tv audiences once every few years - but its the tourism and association factor (plus boat design and build industry). Plus the country enjoys going absolutely 'America's Cup Crazy' every few years. Cricket has never succeeded in capturing NZ public imagination like Rugby, America's Cup or even Olympics has.

It is just too rare and for too short that the best turn up here in cricket - and seemingly never in prime time over Xmas. So there's just no interest generated in it nor money made out of it. The World 2020 is being solely hosted by Australia next time - so a further nail for cricket in NZ for the next generation.

So cricket dies more every year here and NZ will slide back to the bottom soon enough and not even make semi finals.

Truth be told - our domestic infrastructure is supported by Safrican migration or it would be in talent collapse.

We don't even broadcast out domestic t20 games that often, and only 1 50 over game. But seriously - high school rugby and rowing are shown live. High school!

Cricket is next to meaningless in NZ. And now NZ is building towards its America's Cup Defence at home in 2021...

We can discuss the merits both ways, but the lack of NZ, SA and Eng success in the cricket world cup does directly coincide with a lack of interest in the sport with the wider population. Eng never cared about pyjama cricket which was born with Packer in Australia playing the West Indies nearly every year and adopted by Asia.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:42 am

bolero wrote:
raja wrote:I agree.

Since the last time a World Cup was hosted in England was way back in 1999, the best tournament we have for reference is the last Champions Trophy - in which Pakistan THRASHED BCCI in the final.
TROUNCED BCCI in the final.
WHIPPED BCCI in the final.
HAMMERED BCCI in the final.
WALLOPED BCCI in the final.

(Whew! That felt SO good. :grin: )

So I'd consider us to be serious contenders this time too.

England, BCCI, Pakistan definitely top 3 contenders.
We just need to ensure our batting doesn't let us down.
I have faith in our bowlers.
Just hope all the players are fit.
Go Pakistan!


This time BCCI will do a surgical strike on Pakistan a la URI.

Pakistan will not know what hit them.


I really hope they meet.

BCCI-Pak is anyway THE most anticipated match of any World Cup - and then when it is hosted in England, with its large India-Pak origin population, it is bound to be special.

This time, inshallah, we will finally win.

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby raja » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:44 am

Going South wrote:
raja wrote:I agree.

Since the last time a World Cup was hosted in England was way back in 1999, the best tournament we have for reference is the last Champions Trophy - in which Pakistan THRASHED BCCI in the final.
TROUNCED BCCI in the final.
WHIPPED BCCI in the final.
HAMMERED BCCI in the final.
WALLOPED BCCI in the final.

(Whew! That felt SO good. :grin: )

So I'd consider us to be serious contenders this time too.

England, BCCI, Pakistan definitely top 3 contenders.
We just need to ensure our batting doesn't let us down.
I have faith in our bowlers.
Just hope all the players are fit.
Go Pakistan!

Aghhhhh kids running amok here !

Some people sure live in the past. Sigh!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

So which of these did you like?

THRASHED
TROUNCED
WHIPPED
HAMMERED
WALLOPED

Don't say I haven't given you a choice.
You can even have all 5 if you like. :grin:

Hoping for a repeat this year. :grin:

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Re: ODI World Cup 2019 : pre-tournament thoughts

Postby Paddles » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:58 pm

NZ ODI is in chaos... needs clouds for Boult, Southee/Henry or just a pop gun attack... Sl is toothless....

1 eng
2 ind
3 pak
4 sa

with Aus the dark horses pending Warner and Smith's form... But I would love for Bangladesh to spoil the party and make the semi's.
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