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Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:42 pm

I've never paid much attention to no. of deliveries bowled in a career, but looking at Herath vs Broad today made me dive a bit deeper into this.
Balls bowled in career / No. of innings bowled gave me roughly balls per innings, divided by 6, gave me overs/innings.
See last number on each row.

Expectedly spinners dominate this - Grimmett, Murali, Lance Gibbs, Bedi....all averaging 30+ overs per innings!

Am a bit surprised at Kapil.
I remember him being the go-to bowler on most occasions, often being used as a workhorse.

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Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts Ave Econ SR F Overs/Inns
M Muralitharan (ICC/SL) 1992-2010 133 230 44039 18180 800 22.72 2.47 55 # 32
SK Warne (AUS) 1992-2007 145 273 40705 17995 708 25.41 2.65 57.4 # 25
A Kumble (INDIA) 1990-2008 132 236 40850 18355 619 29.65 2.69 65.9 # 29
JM Anderson (ENG) 2003-2018 144* 269 31566 15170 565 26.84 2.88 55.8 # 20
GD McGrath (AUS) 1993-2007 124 243 29248 12186 563 21.64 2.49 51.9 # 20
CA Walsh (WI) 1984-2001 132 242 30019 12688 519 24.44 2.53 57.8 # 21
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) 1978-1994 131 227 27740 12867 434 29.64 2.78 63.9 # 20
HMRKB Herath (SL) 1999-2018 93* 170 25993 12157 433 28.07 2.8 60 # 25
SCJ Broad (ENG) 2007-2018 123 225 25257 12525 433 28.92 2.97 58.3 # 19
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 1973-1990 86 150 21918 9611 431 22.29 2.63 50.8 # 24
DW Steyn (SA) 2004-2018 88 161 17707 9533 421 22.64 3.23 42 # 18
SM Pollock (SA) 1995-2008 108 202 24353 9733 421 23.11 2.39 57.8 # 20
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA) 1998-2015 103 190 28580 13537 417 32.46 2.84 68.5 # 25
Wasim Akram (PAK) 1985-2002 104 181 22627 9779 414 23.62 2.59 54.6 # 21
CEL Ambrose (WI) 1988-2000 98 179 22103 8501 405 20.99 2.3 54.5 # 21
M Ntini (SA) 1998-2009 101 190 20834 11242 390 28.82 3.23 53.4 # 18
IT Botham (ENG) 1977-1992 102 168 21815 10878 383 28.4 2.99 56.9 # 22
MD Marshall (WI) 1978-1991 81 151 17584 7876 376 20.94 2.68 46.7 # 19
Waqar Younis (PAK) 1989-2003 87 154 16224 8788 373 23.56 3.25 43.4 # 18
Imran Khan (PAK) 1971-1992 88 142 19458 8258 362 22.81 2.54 53.7 # 23
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2014 113 187 28814 12441 362 34.36 2.59 79.5 # 26
DK Lillee (AUS) 1971-1984 70 132 18467 8493 355 23.92 2.75 52 # 23
WPUJC Vaas (SL) 1994-2009 111 194 23438 10501 355 29.58 2.68 66 # 20
R Ashwin (INDIA) 2011-2018 64 120 17851 8551 336 25.44 2.87 53.1 # 25
AA Donald (SA) 1992-2002 72 129 15519 7344 330 22.25 2.83 47 # 20
RGD Willis (ENG) 1971-1984 90 165 17357 8190 325 25.2 2.83 53.4 # 18
NM Lyon (AUS) 2011-2018 80 153 20081 10244 318 32.21 3.06 63.1 # 22
MG Johnson (AUS) 2007-2015 73 140 16001 8891 313 28.4 3.33 51.1 # 19
Z Khan (INDIA) 2000-2014 92 165 18785 10247 311 32.94 3.27 60.4 # 19
B Lee (AUS) 1999-2008 76 150 16531 9554 310 30.81 3.46 53.3 # 18
M Morkel (SA) 2006-2018 86 160 16498 8550 309 27.66 3.1 53.3 # 17
LR Gibbs (WI) 1958-1976 79 148 27115 8989 309 29.09 1.98 87.7 # 31
FS Trueman (ENG) 1952-1965 67 127 15178 6625 307 21.57 2.61 49.4 # 20
DL Underwood (ENG) 1966-1982 86 151 21862 7674 297 25.83 2.1 73.6 # 24
JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 1995-2013 166 272 20232 9535 292 32.65 2.82 69.2 # 12
CJ McDermott (AUS) 1984-1996 71 124 16586 8332 291 28.63 3.01 56.9 # 22
BS Bedi (INDIA) 1966-1979 67 118 21364 7637 266 28.71 2.14 80.3 # 30
Danish Kaneria (PAK) 2000-2010 61 112 17697 9082 261 34.79 3.07 67.8 # 26
J Garner (WI) 1977-1987 58 111 13169 5433 259 20.97 2.47 50.8 # 20
JN Gillespie (AUS) 1996-2006 71 137 14234 6770 259 26.13 2.85 54.9 # 17
I Sharma (INDIA) 2007-2018 87 155 16578 8893 256 34.73 3.21 64.7 # 18
GP Swann (ENG) 2008-2013 60 109 15349 7642 255 29.96 2.98 60.1 # 23
JB Statham (ENG) 1951-1965 70 129 16056 6261 252 24.84 2.33 63.7 # 21
MA Holding (WI) 1975-1987 60 113 12680 5898 249 23.68 2.79 50.9 # 19
R Benaud (AUS) 1952-1964 63 116 19108 6704 248 27.03 2.1 77 # 27
MJ Hoggard (ENG) 2000-2008 67 122 13909 7564 248 30.5 3.26 56 # 19
GD McKenzie (AUS) 1961-1971 60 113 17681 7328 246 29.78 2.48 71.8 # 26
BS Chandrasekhar (INDIA) 1964-1979 58 97 15963 7199 242 29.74 2.7 65.9 # 27
AV Bedser (ENG) 1946-1955 51 92 15918 5876 236 24.89 2.21 67.4 # 29
J Srinath (INDIA) 1991-2002 67 121 15104 7196 236 30.49 2.85 64 # 21
Abdul Qadir (PAK) 1977-1990 67 111 17126 7742 236 32.8 2.71 72.5 # 26
GS Sobers (WI) 1954-1974 93 159 21599 7999 235 34.03 2.22 91.9 # 23
AR Caddick (ENG) 1993-2003 62 105 13558 6999 234 29.91 3.09 57.9 # 22
CS Martin (NZ) 2000-2013 71 126 14026 7878 233 33.81 3.37 60.1 # 19
D Gough (ENG) 1994-2003 58 95 11821 6503 229 28.39 3.3 51.6 # 21
RR Lindwall (AUS) 1946-1960 61 113 13650 5251 228 23.03 2.3 59.8 # 20
SJ Harmison (ENG/ICC) 2002-2009 63 115 13375 7192 226 31.82 3.22 59.1 # 19
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) 1998-2009 79 137 14951 7410 226 32.78 2.97 66.1 # 18
TG Southee (NZ) 2008-2018 60 111 13334 6781 220 30.82 3.05 60.6 # 20
CL Cairns (NZ) 1989-2004 62 104 11698 6410 218 29.4 3.28 53.6 # 19
CV Grimmett (AUS) 1925-1936 37 67 14513 5231 216 24.21 2.16 67.1 # 36
HH Streak (ZIM) 1993-2005 65 102 13559 6079 216 28.14 2.69 62.7 # 22
TA Boult (NZ) 2011-2018 54 102 12063 5987 215 27.84 2.97 56.1 # 20
PM Siddle (AUS) 2008-2018 64 120 13325 6482 214 30.28 2.91 62.2 # 19
MG Hughes (AUS) 1985-1994 53 97 12285 6017 212 28.38 2.93 57.9 # 21
SCG MacGill (AUS) 1998-2008 44 85 11237 6038 208 29.02 3.22 54 # 22
Saqlain Mushtaq (PAK) 1995-2004 49 86 14070 6206 208 29.83 2.64 67.6 # 27
VD Philander (SA) 2011-2018 55 103 9970 4416 205 21.54 2.65 48.6 # 16
AME Roberts (WI) 1974-1983 47 90 11135 5174 202 25.61 2.78 55.1 # 21
JA Snow (ENG) 1965-1976 49 93 12021 5387 202 26.66 2.68 59.5 # 22
JR Thomson (AUS) 1972-1985 51 90 10535 5601 200 28 3.18 52.6 # 20

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:50 pm

At the other end of the spectrum (if you exclude Kallis), we have Philander, Gillespie and Morkel.

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:52 pm

Sorted by workhorse status :-)
Grimmett leads.
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Player Span Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts Ave Econ SR F Overs/Inns
CV Grimmett (AUS) 1925-1936 37 67 14513 5231 216 24.21 2.16 67.1 # 36
M Muralitharan (ICC/SL) 1992-2010 133 230 44039 18180 800 22.72 2.47 55 # 32
LR Gibbs (WI) 1958-1976 79 148 27115 8989 309 29.09 1.98 87.7 # 31
BS Bedi (INDIA) 1966-1979 67 118 21364 7637 266 28.71 2.14 80.3 # 30
A Kumble (INDIA) 1990-2008 132 236 40850 18355 619 29.65 2.69 65.9 # 29
AV Bedser (ENG) 1946-1955 51 92 15918 5876 236 24.89 2.21 67.4 # 29
R Benaud (AUS) 1952-1964 63 116 19108 6704 248 27.03 2.1 77 # 27
BS Chandrasekhar (INDIA) 1964-1979 58 97 15963 7199 242 29.74 2.7 65.9 # 27
Saqlain Mushtaq (PAK) 1995-2004 49 86 14070 6206 208 29.83 2.64 67.6 # 27
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2014 113 187 28814 12441 362 34.36 2.59 79.5 # 26
Danish Kaneria (PAK) 2000-2010 61 112 17697 9082 261 34.79 3.07 67.8 # 26
GD McKenzie (AUS) 1961-1971 60 113 17681 7328 246 29.78 2.48 71.8 # 26
Abdul Qadir (PAK) 1977-1990 67 111 17126 7742 236 32.8 2.71 72.5 # 26
SK Warne (AUS) 1992-2007 145 273 40705 17995 708 25.41 2.65 57.4 # 25
HMRKB Herath (SL) 1999-2018 93* 170 25993 12157 433 28.07 2.8 60 # 25
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA) 1998-2015 103 190 28580 13537 417 32.46 2.84 68.5 # 25
R Ashwin (INDIA) 2011-2018 64 120 17851 8551 336 25.44 2.87 53.1 # 25
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) 1973-1990 86 150 21918 9611 431 22.29 2.63 50.8 # 24
DL Underwood (ENG) 1966-1982 86 151 21862 7674 297 25.83 2.1 73.6 # 24
Imran Khan (PAK) 1971-1992 88 142 19458 8258 362 22.81 2.54 53.7 # 23
DK Lillee (AUS) 1971-1984 70 132 18467 8493 355 23.92 2.75 52 # 23
GP Swann (ENG) 2008-2013 60 109 15349 7642 255 29.96 2.98 60.1 # 23
GS Sobers (WI) 1954-1974 93 159 21599 7999 235 34.03 2.22 91.9 # 23
IT Botham (ENG) 1977-1992 102 168 21815 10878 383 28.4 2.99 56.9 # 22
NM Lyon (AUS) 2011-2018 80 153 20081 10244 318 32.21 3.06 63.1 # 22
CJ McDermott (AUS) 1984-1996 71 124 16586 8332 291 28.63 3.01 56.9 # 22
AR Caddick (ENG) 1993-2003 62 105 13558 6999 234 29.91 3.09 57.9 # 22
HH Streak (ZIM) 1993-2005 65 102 13559 6079 216 28.14 2.69 62.7 # 22
SCG MacGill (AUS) 1998-2008 44 85 11237 6038 208 29.02 3.22 54 # 22
JA Snow (ENG) 1965-1976 49 93 12021 5387 202 26.66 2.68 59.5 # 22
CA Walsh (WI) 1984-2001 132 242 30019 12688 519 24.44 2.53 57.8 # 21
Wasim Akram (PAK) 1985-2002 104 181 22627 9779 414 23.62 2.59 54.6 # 21
CEL Ambrose (WI) 1988-2000 98 179 22103 8501 405 20.99 2.3 54.5 # 21
JB Statham (ENG) 1951-1965 70 129 16056 6261 252 24.84 2.33 63.7 # 21
J Srinath (INDIA) 1991-2002 67 121 15104 7196 236 30.49 2.85 64 # 21
D Gough (ENG) 1994-2003 58 95 11821 6503 229 28.39 3.3 51.6 # 21
MG Hughes (AUS) 1985-1994 53 97 12285 6017 212 28.38 2.93 57.9 # 21
AME Roberts (WI) 1974-1983 47 90 11135 5174 202 25.61 2.78 55.1 # 21
JM Anderson (ENG) 2003-2018 144* 269 31566 15170 565 26.84 2.88 55.8 # 20
GD McGrath (AUS) 1993-2007 124 243 29248 12186 563 21.64 2.49 51.9 # 20
N Kapil Dev (INDIA) 1978-1994 131 227 27740 12867 434 29.64 2.78 63.9 # 20
SM Pollock (SA) 1995-2008 108 202 24353 9733 421 23.11 2.39 57.8 # 20
WPUJC Vaas (SL) 1994-2009 111 194 23438 10501 355 29.58 2.68 66 # 20
AA Donald (SA) 1992-2002 72 129 15519 7344 330 22.25 2.83 47 # 20
FS Trueman (ENG) 1952-1965 67 127 15178 6625 307 21.57 2.61 49.4 # 20
J Garner (WI) 1977-1987 58 111 13169 5433 259 20.97 2.47 50.8 # 20
RR Lindwall (AUS) 1946-1960 61 113 13650 5251 228 23.03 2.3 59.8 # 20
TG Southee (NZ) 2008-2018 60 111 13334 6781 220 30.82 3.05 60.6 # 20
TA Boult (NZ) 2011-2018 54 102 12063 5987 215 27.84 2.97 56.1 # 20
JR Thomson (AUS) 1972-1985 51 90 10535 5601 200 28 3.18 52.6 # 20
SCJ Broad (ENG) 2007-2018 123 225 25257 12525 433 28.92 2.97 58.3 # 19
MD Marshall (WI) 1978-1991 81 151 17584 7876 376 20.94 2.68 46.7 # 19
MG Johnson (AUS) 2007-2015 73 140 16001 8891 313 28.4 3.33 51.1 # 19
Z Khan (INDIA) 2000-2014 92 165 18785 10247 311 32.94 3.27 60.4 # 19
MA Holding (WI) 1975-1987 60 113 12680 5898 249 23.68 2.79 50.9 # 19
MJ Hoggard (ENG) 2000-2008 67 122 13909 7564 248 30.5 3.26 56 # 19
CS Martin (NZ) 2000-2013 71 126 14026 7878 233 33.81 3.37 60.1 # 19
SJ Harmison (ENG/ICC) 2002-2009 63 115 13375 7192 226 31.82 3.22 59.1 # 19
CL Cairns (NZ) 1989-2004 62 104 11698 6410 218 29.4 3.28 53.6 # 19
PM Siddle (AUS) 2008-2018 64 120 13325 6482 214 30.28 2.91 62.2 # 19
DW Steyn (SA) 2004-2018 88 161 17707 9533 421 22.64 3.23 42 # 18
M Ntini (SA) 1998-2009 101 190 20834 11242 390 28.82 3.23 53.4 # 18
Waqar Younis (PAK) 1989-2003 87 154 16224 8788 373 23.56 3.25 43.4 # 18
RGD Willis (ENG) 1971-1984 90 165 17357 8190 325 25.2 2.83 53.4 # 18
B Lee (AUS) 1999-2008 76 150 16531 9554 310 30.81 3.46 53.3 # 18
I Sharma (INDIA) 2007-2018 87 155 16578 8893 256 34.73 3.21 64.7 # 18
A Flintoff (ENG/ICC) 1998-2009 79 137 14951 7410 226 32.78 2.97 66.1 # 18
M Morkel (SA) 2006-2018 86 160 16498 8550 309 27.66 3.1 53.3 # 17
JN Gillespie (AUS) 1996-2006 71 137 14234 6770 259 26.13 2.85 54.9 # 17
VD Philander (SA) 2011-2018 55 103 9970 4416 205 21.54 2.65 48.6 # 16
JH Kallis (ICC/SA) 1995-2013 166 272 20232 9535 292 32.65 2.82 69.2 # 12

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:57 pm

Spinners who had to do the least amount of work: Stuart MacGill and Nathan Lyon.
Medium pacers/quicks who were closest to being workhorses: Alec Bedser and Garth McKenzie.

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:02 pm

Of course many factors go into this.
One factor definitely is whether you are part of a strong attack or are carrying most of the load.

For example, Richard Hadlee comes in at 24 overs per innings cos he was THE go-to bowler in the side.
Would keep being brought back into the attack as partnerships would tend to build in his absence.

Contrast this with Swann, who for a spinner comes in at 23 overs per innings, cos he didn't need to be used much as a workhorse. England had a pretty good attack in his time.

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:07 pm

Ian Chappell did say he tended to overbowl Lillee - he was just so confident about Lillee, and Lillee himself would just love to get the ball in his hand to bowl.

Hence 23 overs per innings.

A lot could happen in those 23 overs. :-)

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Paddles » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:40 pm

raja wrote:At the other end of the spectrum (if you exclude Kallis), we have Philander, Gillespie and Morkel.


Philander is easily explained. He is continually injured and off the field during games. Plus he is a bit of a new ball specialist.

Morkel is an express bowler who with Kallis was part a five prong attack who is not the preferred new ball option.

Gillespie was part of a 4 prong attack, but try getting the ball out of Warne's hands when the tail enders were in.

The only valuable metric is what percentage of their own teams' balls bowled they did. There's too much in the way of second innings variance going on between the differing strengths of teams (and style of bowler) to do an accurate direct comparison.

For instance - Streak is far too low imo. I bet he climbs up if you tried that method. What is wrecking his stats is the 24 times bowled in 4th innings but only 198 overs (as Zimbabwe lost). Same thing happens to all losing team players, Chris Cairns for instance, Chris Martin suffers this fate appreciably as well. The teams simply did not have enough runs on the board to get close to winning often enough.

Looking at the famous spinners:

Murali was blessed as he had Aravinda, Jayasurirya, Ranatunga, Attapttu, Tilikiratne, Sanga, Jaya, Dilshan...

Grimmett and OReilly had the Don...

Kumble and Bhaji had Lax, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Ganguly and Dravid.

Swann had Anderson and Broad fighting for the ball at home.

Whereas - a seamer like Hadlee was still NZ's greatest weapon - even in India.

Gibbs played for a WI team that struggled to bowl teams out (Sobers used to bowl and bowl as well) - whereas Malcolm Marshall, Joel Garner, Colin Croft, Michael Holding and Ian Bishop played for a team that steamrolled the opposition. Walsh and Ambrose obviously lost this advantage midway through their careers and hence had more first innings overs to bowl subsequently.
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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Katto » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:35 am

raja wrote:Spinners who had to do the least amount of work: Stuart MacGill and Nathan Lyon.
Medium pacers/quicks who were closest to being workhorses: Alec Bedser and Garth McKenzie.


early in his career Lyon was often taken out of the attack early (by Ponting) or held back.

lately though he's been bowling some ridiculous amount of overs (>40 per innings) in Asia

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Paddles » Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:51 am

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:Spinners who had to do the least amount of work: Stuart MacGill and Nathan Lyon.
Medium pacers/quicks who were closest to being workhorses: Alec Bedser and Garth McKenzie.


early in his career Lyon was often taken out of the attack early (by Ponting) or held back.

lately though he's been bowling some ridiculous amount of overs (>40 per innings) in Asia


Has Lyon peaked? This time last year - Raja and I had him as one of the best spin bowlers in the world.

Since then - he has gone 11 tests at over 30. His record in Asia is over 30 in India, over 50 in UAE, over 33 in SL (he did obliterate the Bangas though). He is averaging close to 40 in Safrica.

I feel let down by him. I really thought he was on the up. He's gone at 38 this year so far.
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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Katto » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:09 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
early in his career Lyon was often taken out of the attack early (by Ponting) or held back.

lately though he's been bowling some ridiculous amount of overs (>40 per innings) in Asia


Has Lyon peaked? This time last year - Raja and I had him as one of the best spin bowlers in the world.

Since then - he has gone 11 tests at over 30. His record in Asia is over 30 in India, over 50 in UAE, over 33 in SL (he did obliterate the Bangas though). He is averaging close to 40 in Safrica.

I feel let down by him. I really thought he was on the up. He's gone at 38 this year so far.


yeah he only took 4 wickets in 6 balls in his last test

yeah he's past it :roll:

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Paddles » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:25 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
Has Lyon peaked? This time last year - Raja and I had him as one of the best spin bowlers in the world.

Since then - he has gone 11 tests at over 30. His record in Asia is over 30 in India, over 50 in UAE, over 33 in SL (he did obliterate the Bangas though). He is averaging close to 40 in Safrica.

I feel let down by him. I really thought he was on the up. He's gone at 38 this year so far.


yeah he only took 4 wickets in 6 balls in his last test

yeah he's past it :roll:


So you're saying he's not peaked?

Lyon to beat BCCI - you heard it from Katto first.
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Re: Overs per innings

Postby Katto » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:58 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
yeah he only took 4 wickets in 6 balls in his last test

yeah he's past it :roll:


So you're saying he's not peaked?

Lyon to beat BCCI - you heard it from Katto first.


No, even if Lyon was Shane Warne or Glen McGrath... you still need runs to defend and the only runs this Australian team has in them is from drinking Ganges water

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Re: Overs per innings

Postby raja » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:01 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
So you're saying he's not peaked?

Lyon to beat BCCI - you heard it from Katto first.


No, even if Lyon was Shane Warne or Glen McGrath... you still need runs to defend and the only runs this Australian team has in them is from drinking Ganges water

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