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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:20 pm

So Jimmy now has 99 wickets at Lord's.
Surely he'll get one delivery at least in the second innings to make it 100? :-)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Going South » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:33 pm

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3 days are more than enough for a test match.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:54 am

Neither the prosecution nor the defence is calling the gay men in the Stokes trial.

Two key pivotal, identified, witnesses.

Would love to know what Ben Stokes' lawyer is doing here?!
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:30 am

Tough match for England so far. Finally dismissing the Indians after two days.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:49 am

Paddles wrote:Neither the prosecution nor the defence is calling the gay men in the Stokes trial.

Two key pivotal, identified, witnesses.

Would love to know what Ben Stokes' lawyer is doing here?!

You mean in Fag bar? Why he was there unless he was Curious or what?
Shaw (129) & Iyer (144) put on 161 in 20 overs @ Bangalore (VHT)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:22 am

givemeahug786 wrote:
Paddles wrote:Neither the prosecution nor the defence is calling the gay men in the Stokes trial.

Two key pivotal, identified, witnesses.

Would love to know what Ben Stokes' lawyer is doing here?!

You mean in Fag bar? Why he was there unless he was Curious or what?


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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:12 am

givemeahug786 wrote:
Paddles wrote:Neither the prosecution nor the defence is calling the gay men in the Stokes trial.

Two key pivotal, identified, witnesses.

Would love to know what Ben Stokes' lawyer is doing here?!

You mean in Fag bar? Why he was there unless he was Curious or what?


No, England has bars for gay and straight people both. Progressive concept, I know. Next they'll let gay people vote.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:15 am

Paddles wrote:
givemeahug786 wrote:You mean in Fag bar? Why he was there unless he was Curious or what?


No, England has bars for gay and straight people both. Progressive concept, I know. Next they'll let gay people vote.


Gays are in a minority. Gay bars exist so they can easily find others in their minority. Simple concept. Nothing to do with progressivism or lack of.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:53 am

Katto wrote:
Paddles wrote:
No, England has bars for gay and straight people both. Progressive concept, I know. Next they'll let gay people vote.


Gays are in a minority. Gay bars exist so they can easily find others in their minority. Simple concept. Nothing to do with progressivism or lack of.


Simpler concept: gay people allowed in all public bars. (So are straight people for that matter - but noone has suggested it is a "gay bar" that Stokes, Hales, Hale and Ali were at till now). Just a bar - with gay and straights.

You over complicate things too much.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:41 pm

89/4
Johnny and Butler two keeper together.
Woakes,Curran,Rashid,Anderson,Broad big tails vs FRESH ASHWIN.
Shaw (129) & Iyer (144) put on 161 in 20 overs @ Bangalore (VHT)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:36 pm

givemeahug786 wrote:89/4
Johnny and Butler two keeper together.
Woakes,Curran,Rashid,Anderson,Broad big tails vs FRESH ASHWIN.

West Chennai born and raised on the playgrounds is where he spent most of his days
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby louie_db9 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:03 pm

Leaking runs.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:11 pm

:shifty:

Paddles wrote:You over complicate things too much.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby louie_db9 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:39 pm

Innings win for England.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:01 pm

Lovin' this. :grin:

I really really hope the weather doesn't help BCCI out of this.

Having said that, England have to bat last, so BCCI could even now level the series.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:26 pm

305/5.

100 to Woakes.

Gets his name on the Lord's honours board.
Had already taken a 11-wicket haul in the Lord's Test against Pakistan 2 years ago.

Meanwhile Sachin Tendulkar's highest score in 5 Tests at Lord's is 37.

Just shows.... let me put this politically correctly and palatably for the Indians.... one can't judge by performances on one ground. :grin:

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:34 pm

This is what I had said during the last Ashes series.

raja wrote:England always manages to come up with world-class allrounders.
I rate Woakes very highly - probably the world's no.2 allrounder, after only Ben Stokes.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:37 pm

Pandya gets the breakthrough!

Bairstow gone for 93.

England in trouble - the lead is only 213. :-)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:43 pm

Weather forecast is good for tomorrow.
So BCCI will rack up a huge score and put England under a lot of pressure.
Looks like BCCI will level the series - great recovery by them.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:01 pm

This is just SO much fun.
Enjoying seeing BCCI in this situation.

At the start of the series, I thought I would support BCCI - cos I always want England to lose.
But now I realise, I really don't want BCCI to do well.
Strange, isn't it?

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby givemeahug786 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:05 pm

Manchester test year? India 58 all out.Godfrey Evans batted #7 or lower hits 71.
Shaw (129) & Iyer (144) put on 161 in 20 overs @ Bangalore (VHT)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:28 pm

givemeahug786 wrote:Manchester test year? India 58 all out.Godfrey Evans batted #7 or lower hits 71.

That was 1952.
That was a disaster of a Test for India.
58 and 82 all out in the two innings.
Dismissed twice in one day.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:47 am

Yeah - there will be some Indian fans in shock after seeing Woakes score a century here.

I spent most the IPL amazed that RCB used Woakes so pooooooorly and didn't move him up the batting order. This is his last t20 game:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8053 ... blast-2018

As you can see - he was elevated to 6, and more than did the job. Just because he spends so much time batting at 8 and 9 in internationals doesn't mean that he isn't a fine batsman, because he very much is. I wonder if Kohli, the RCB captain, thought his watching Woakes demolish the Indian bowlers in swinging conditions.

But while Bairstow as a keeper, Curran, Ali (last summer and before) and Woakes continue to save things for England (Stokes could be added to this list too I guess), for a while now, this feeble England batting is going to get them in trouble whenever the bowling conditions don't suit Jimmy to demolish the opposing top order.

The English batting line up has become Root, Cook, 3 duds and allrounders.

England really need at least one of the duds to become a regular run scorer.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby givemeahug786 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:13 am

raja wrote:
givemeahug786 wrote:Manchester test year? India 58 all out.Godfrey Evans batted #7 or lower hits 71.

That was 1952.
That was a disaster of a Test for India.
58 and 82 all out in the two innings.
Dismissed twice in one day.


So when was India dismissed 42 and 58 in a day.is it Truemans
First test were first 3 indian or 4 out for Duck?
Shaw (129) & Iyer (144) put on 161 in 20 overs @ Bangalore (VHT)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby louie_db9 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:57 am

Pair for Vijay. England to win by an innings and 200 runs within a couple of hours.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:25 am

Paddles wrote:The English batting line up has become Root, Cook, 3 duds and allrounders.

England really need at least one of the duds to become a regular run scorer.


Yeah, it is the allrounders who are regularly saving England the blushes.

From a time when England had Cook (in form), KP, Bell to this lot is quite a fall in batting quality.

They routinely falter with their top 5-6 nowadays, but their allrounders take them to a degree of respectability.

When I often say "England bat all the way down to No.11", I mean it.

They do.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:28 am

givemeahug786 wrote:
raja wrote:That was 1952.
That was a disaster of a Test for India.
58 and 82 all out in the two innings.
Dismissed twice in one day.


So when was India dismissed 42 and 58 in a day.is it Truemans
First test were first 3 indian or 4 out for Duck?


You're mixing up matches.

58 & 82 was Manchester, 1952.

Earlier in the series, in the first Test at Headingley, India were 0/4.
That was Trueman's debut Test.

The 42 all out was in 1974 - at Lord's.
That was the first Test series I followed on radio commentary in my life.
Was scarred by that innings. :-)
Although technically India lost only 9 wickets - Chandra couldn't bat.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:33 am

Woakes has now scored exactly 1000 runs in Tests, at a decent average of 32.26.
Bowling average is 33.70.
I reckon both will improve.
Just hope he remains fit.
Seems to be injury-prone.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:35 am

Looks like rain will save BCCI. :angry: :annoyed: :angry: :annoyed:

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:46 am

Please make it 2-0 today itself.
Weather forecast for tomorrow is rain.
BCCI should NOT get away with this shambolic performance.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:10 pm

From cricbuzz:
Vijay is the 150th opening batsman dismissed by Anderson
Only Glenn McGrath (155) has dismissed more openers

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:44 pm

First Kohli goes to Broad, after several close calls.
Next ball, Karthik goes. :lmao:

61/6. :lmao:

Broad on fire here.
Every England bowler is exposing BCCI's weakness against quality bowling.
These are a bunch of bullies with inflated averages thanks to not playing in English conditions.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:50 pm

test series should be the best of 1 because that's about how many competitive tests there are on average these days due to home advantage

I expected England to assert their authority from the second test onward despite the hype of the first test

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Going South » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:42 pm

What a sorry state. I overestimated BCCI to play 4 day test cricket, nope, they are not good for 3 day test cricket. tsk tsk.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:54 pm

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:19 pm

BCCI batted for 82.2 overs over two innings.
That's not even a full day's play.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Going South » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:03 pm

i was wondering if they sent T20 team telling them it’s a T20 but not a test match they might get a better result than this bend over performance. what more disaster can it be?

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:21 pm

Virat's One-Man Armay "Prepared" To Surrender Meekly
https://www.thequint.com/sports/cricket ... tise-games

I don't agree with this piece but posting it here anyway.

I don't think it's a matter of more practice matches. We all know that practice matches are scripted in a manner as to not give the visiting side any real benefit.

I think we need BCCI players, especially batsmen, to play a lot more in English conditions.

They may or may not cut it - but at least we will know.

And they will be better for the experience.

Pujara and Ishant played this year - because neither was picked for the IPL.

Pujara failed. Ishant did fairly well.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:28 pm

raja wrote:Virat's One-Man Armay "Prepared" To Surrender Meekly
https://www.thequint.com/sports/cricket ... tise-games

I don't agree with this piece but posting it here anyway.

I don't think it's a matter of more practice matches. We all know that practice matches are scripted in a manner as to not give the visiting side any real benefit.

I think we need BCCI players, especially batsmen, to play a lot more in English conditions.

They may or may not cut it - but at least we will know.

And they will be better for the experience.

Pujara and Ishant played this year - because neither was picked for the IPL.

Pujara failed. Ishant did fairly well.


Practice games have limited utility. Playing county in the off season would help much more, and Pujara's failing there meant he was likely to fail in tests too. As a NZ fan, I feel confident when NZ tours England next as Boult and Southeee will swing the Dukes just as well as anything England throws at them, Matt Henry has absolutely dominated with the ball over there in county, Wagner's done well-ish (more last season than this current), Taylor, KW and Latham all making good county runs. So there's the core of the team feeling absolutely at home in the conditions where they've played a lot and succeeded a lot.

I don't have this confidence of NZ touring India, despite the IPL, or warmup games. Even the A games are normally NZ sides getting crushed.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:33 pm

McGrath's prediction of 5-0 for Ashes 2005 might be upstaged by this one. :-)

https://indianexpress.com/article/sport ... a-5285357/

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:35 pm

Apparently this was the first innings defeat under Kohli's captaincy.

Some will be hoping the first of many. :-)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:36 pm

https://twitter.com/BeingRana45/status/ ... 2958495744

In Test matches this year, outside Asia.

C Pujara :
Runs - 118
Avrg - 19.66

A Rahane :
Runs - 105
Avrg - 17.50

M Vijay :
Runs - 128
Avrg - 12.8

KL Rahul :
Runs - 64
Avrg - 10.66

:lmao:

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:41 pm

raja wrote:https://twitter.com/BeingRana45/status/1028653562958495744

In Test matches this year, outside Asia.

C Pujara :
Runs - 118
Avrg - 19.66

A Rahane :
Runs - 105
Avrg - 17.50

M Vijay :
Runs - 128
Avrg - 12.8

KL Rahul :
Runs - 64
Avrg - 10.66

:lmao:


These numbers will improve in Australia - if they avoid the selector's axe long enough.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby raja » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:59 pm

Yes, they will.

Which is why I posted them now, to enjoy them while I can. :-)

In my ideal world, BCCI would only play in England - and keep getting thrashed. :-)

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:12 pm

This is the danger of Shastri as a coach in my view, being a "yes" man for Kohli.

Virat's questionable tactics are available for all to see in the IPL, (e.g having no idea how to use Woakes' batting potential).

And in ODI he relies on MSD a lot for field sets and bowling plans. But Virat is the charismatic leader. And MSD quit tests. So this test team needs a strategic mind somewhere calling the shots. I don't think this should be Virat by himself.

This isn't Asia where India just need to turn up and have Ashwin, Jadeja and whoever else bowl them to victory after the batsmen score huge.

This is my major worry for NZC post Hesson. Hesson called the shots, and got by far most of them right (I know I bang on about 2017 Champs Trophy, Patel's recall and Wagner's dropping - even Raval taking too long to be selected and Munro not in tests - but that's really not bad compared to the good calls he made, where a lot of iffy cricketers he helped develop into successful limited overs or test cricketers). KW is well experienced in the cricket world now having dominated IPL and county cricket in his off time, but Tom Moody is clearly the very knowledgeable person calling the shots for the Sunrisers.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Going South » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:32 am

unlike NFL in cricket, coach is always a second fiddle yes man for captain. It’s not just for BCCI, all teams also have same way of powers to captain.

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Paddles » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:40 am

Going South wrote:unlike NFL in cricket, coach is always a second fiddle yes man for captain. It’s not just for BCCI, all teams also have same way of powers to captain.


No. Not true for cricket at all. It depends on the teams and the people involved. The days of the captain being the coach, selector and captain for all teams is long gone.

Australian cricket does not give much power to the coach, as they have a travelling selector. The captain gets a lot of sway in Australian Cricket. He is able to communicate directly with the selector. But the selector has to sign off on what the captain wants. The t20 team has seen a change of direction though with Punter (consultant coach and selector) exclusively calling the shots, not the captain.

South Africa, well their quotas make life very difficult for selection I imagine. They probably have an accountant or at the very least a spreadsheet helping out with selections.

NZ cricket, it really depends on who is captain and who is the coach. Hesson ruled NZ cricket in his tenure, whether Taylor, BMac or KW were captain. He was the man in control of all selections and game plans, all KW and BMac had to do was execute it on the field. But when M Crowe was captain, he got what he wanted.

Tom Moody as coach at the Sunrisers, rules that team.

But Kohli got rid of Kumble for a "yes" man in Shastri. And Kohli is the ruling member of BCCI cricket.

Basically, it comes down to who is selecting the team. Not all coaches, captains and selectors are equal. Not all coaches are even selectors. Every team has their own nuances and power dynamics.

For England, the selectors rule the test team, but Morgan and the coach get a longer leash of sway in the ODI teams (this was granted to them after the 2015 WC debacle). Root gets far less for the test team.

For Pakistan, right now it appears to be Inzi's team. But when Imran played it was his team.

So the question is, what would serve India the best? Kohli ruling over the team, or getting someone else in with the final say? Taking the final say out of the captain's hands can help the team dynamic. M Crowe was unpopular as a captain.

I just read an article saying NZC's new coach has to fit in with KW's team (ergo be servient to KW). But I am not sure that KW necessarily wants that responsibility, nor would it be the best option for NZC to go with him being the main run scorer and on field captain as well. KW has not been coached that way at the Sunrisers nor for NZC. So this would be completely new for him. He has been fairly outstanding at implementing the best use out of the players given to him, though.

The selectors need to talk to the captain to make sure he has bowlers given to him that he will bowl. Sometimes, I notice certain captains, seemingly not happy to bowl certain bowlers given to them. This is not ideal when it occurs. So there needs to be communication between the two to avoid this scenario from occurring too often.
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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby Katto » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:11 am

Going South wrote:What a sorry state. I overestimated BCCI to play 4 day test cricket, nope, they are not good for 3 day test cricket. tsk tsk.


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Postby bolero » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:59 am

:lmao: :lmao:

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Re: BCCI in England 2018: 5-Test series

Postby sansingh » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:06 am

Different year, different team, same bakwaas from BCCI.