South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Who would you want to see win?

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South Africa vs India: 3 Test Series; January - February, 2018

Postby Misty » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:16 pm

Fixture

1st Test at Cape Town, JAN 05, (08:30 GMT)

2nd Test at Centurion, JAN 13, (08:00 GMT)

3rd Test at Johannesburg, JAN 24 (08:00 GMT)

1st ODI at Durban FEB 01 (11:00 GMT)

2nd ODI at Centurion, FEB 04 (08:00 GMT)

3rd ODI at Cape Town, FEB 07 (11:00 GMT)

4th ODI at Johannesburg, FEB 10 (11:00 GMT)

5th ODI at Port Elizabeth FEB 13 (11:00 GMT)

6th ODI at Centurion, FEB 16 (11:00 GMT)

1st T20I at Johannesburg, FEB 18 (12:30 GMT)

2nd T20I at Centurion, FEB 21 (16:00 GMT)

3rd T20I at Cape Town, FEB 24 (16:00 GMT)

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:51 pm

India going woefully underprepared and undercooked. Should have gone 3 weeks early instead of thrashing Sri Lanka.

Normally India play their worst in the first test. By the time they get adjusted its the third test and the series is over.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:30 pm

I hope we get this televised. We don't get SA games typically - but we don't get SL games neither and we got India touring there.

Do SL and Ind share a home broadcaster?

The South African cricket broadcaster is not a fan recently of Sky TV in NZ.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:22 am

Paddles wrote:I hope we get this televised. We don't get SA games typically - but we don't get SL games neither and we got India touring there.

Do SL and Ind share a home broadcaster?

The South African cricket broadcaster is not a fan recently of Sky TV in NZ.


Normally Star Sports gets rights for matches involving India.They had a contract if I am not mistaken.However, I believe South African series is being telecast on Sony.

To your question, Star Sports broadcasts to entire Asia.Whether it includes Australasia, that is Australia and NZ, I am not sure.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:45 am

India in South Africa: We don't fear Dale Steyn or anyone, says Mohammed Shami

New Delhi: Mohammed Shami has had a career plagued with injuries, the worse of which kept India's premier fast bowler out of cricket for almost a year following the 2015 World Cup. But he is back now and bowled fighting fit in the last Test he played at Delhi in the recently concluded series against Sri Lanka. A tough assignment, though, awaits the 27-year-old in South Africa where India will need him at the top of his form in a three-Test series, followed by limited-overs internationals.

India have never won a Test series in South Africa. However, the team under captain Virat Kohli has enjoyed unprecedented success, which should give them the confidence to do well out of the subcontinent as well. And Shami promises that India will be "fearless" in that pursuit to start 2018 on a bright note.

The Indian batsmen will be in for a test against the Proteas' pace attack led by Dale Steyn, who made a comeback in the inaugural four-day Test in Port Elizabeth, which the hosts won inside two days.

Before that match, Steyn made a statement that was seemingly intended to intimidate the Indian camp.

"The batsmen will know that it’s (pace of 150kmph) there, and I’m able to take their feet away, hit them in the head, whatever. The rest of the time I’ve always relied on skill: relentless line and length, trying to knock guys over and just being smart," Steyn had said.

In an interview to xtratime.in, Shami said anyone can say anything but Team India "doesn't fear anybody" and is ready to deliver.

"Not only Steyn, anybody can say anything or write anything," Shami told the website.

"We are only eyeing to give our 100 percent and I just want to (make it) clear that the team doesn’t fear anybody and we are ready for the counter-punch. We have played fearless cricket in the last couple of years and we will do the same on our coming tour too," the Indian paceman said.

But not just Indian batting, the tour will also test the skill and temperament of Indian bowlers, especially fast bowlers, who often get carried away seeing juice in wickets outside the subcontinent.

Shami will be part of a pack of five pacers on tour, alongside Ishant Sharma, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Umesh Yadav and Jasprit Bumrah, who has received his maiden Test call-up. Besides, the Indian squad also includes seam-up allrounder Hardik Pandya.

But Shami didn't want to reveal his cards on the strategy front.

"I don’t tell anything regarding this matter (strategy) in front of the media. I just want to say we must avoid short (pitch) bowling against them, as they always play on bouncy wickets from the very first day of their career.

"They are very good players of the square-cut, pull and hook shot. (But) This time we have some different plans for them," Shami concluded.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:52 am

Prasad cautions India on Rabada

Former India pacer Venkatesh Prasad has cautioned India batsmen to watch out for young South Africa pacer Kagiso Rabada during their three-Test series starting January 5 at Newlands.

Prasad also said he feels seasoned South Africa pacers Dale Steyn and Morne Morkel will not be much of a threat to the formidable Indian batting line-up led by skipper Virat Kohli.

"With due respect, I don't see Steyn and Morkel posing a big threat. The bowler India need to watch out for is Rabada. He is young, he has got the pace and creates that awkward bounce for the batsman," Prasad said.

Prasad also backed Indian batsmen to post 350 or more consistently against South Africa.

"Most of our batsmen have been doing really well and I expect their rich run to continue in South Africa. They are experienced enough to deal with the conditions. Every time India tour South Africa, England or Australia, there is a tendency to put extra pressure on the bowlers. That is not fair. It will be really important for the batsmen to put up 350 runs or more in the first innings and then the bowlers come into play. And I actually see the entire team performing well and win their maiden series in South Africa," Prasad added.

The 48-year-old also wants Ishant Sharma to lead India's pace attack and use his experience in South Africa.

"Ishant has been around for more than a decade. It is high time that he leads the attack. I don't know what the issue is. He has got the pace, the height, the aggression but he has not realised his potential. He should be playing the role that Srinath (Javagal) played when he was around, or Zaheer Khan or Kapil Dev when they played," Prasad said.

India have picked up five pace specialists -- Ishant, Umesh Yadav, Bhuveshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah -- for the three-Test series.

Ishant, has been bowling well of late but he is not a sure starter in the playing eleven. The 29-year-old made his Test debut way back in 2007 and has played 79 Tests since then, taking 226 wickets at an average of 36.55.

Talking about the Indian pacers picked for the South Africa tour, Prasad said there is enough variety but a lot would depend on how they adapt to the conditions. "They all are different to each other. With more and more cricket being played and more rolling, the pitches in South Africa are not what they were 10-15 years ago.

"However, the extra bounce would surely suit the faster bowlers but it remains to be seen how the Indian pacers adapt to the conditions after doing well at home," said Prasad.

Bumrah has received his maiden call-up in Tests after doing well consistently in the shorter formats. "He has done well and that is why he has been picked. Let him get the opportunity then we will see how he fares. The requirements of bowling in Tests are different to the needs of the shorter formats," said Prasad, who toured South Africa twice.

India and South Africa will also play six one day internationals and three Twenty20 internationals after the Test series.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:20 pm

Good Luck Mukund if Dhawan not plays in the first test although no official announcements from BCCI yet

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Yorkshire » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:38 pm

Bolero ji
How about IIHAG for India vs Southafrica 3 tests
( each test new team ) but we can request Boycs or yourself
Announces results 24 hours after each test if not busy

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Yorkshire wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/is-shikhar-dhawan-doubtful-for-first-test-against-south-africa-5001719/

Shikhar Dhawan injured
Read please


That is indeed sad.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Yorkshire wrote:Good Luck Mukund if Dhawan not plays in the first test although no official announcements from BCCI yet


No way Mukund.He is an abject failure.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:28 am

1st Test at Cape Town in a week's time.
Can't wait! :-)

BCCI Test matches overseas are so much more fun than in India.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:31 am

Ok, guys, I took the liberty of adding a poll to this thread to make it more fun. :-)
Please pick.

I've deliberately not put a poll option of "the better team".
No fence-sitting.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:08 am

Dhawan (Hayabusa) ruled out of first test with a twisted ankle.From media reports, Kohli showed his displeasure at Dhawan for not taking care.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:09 am

Worst possible start for India.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:37 am

South Africa squad for Cape Town Test

Faf du Plessis (capt), Hashim Amla, Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock (wk), Theunis de Bruyn, AB de Villiers, Dean Elgar, Keshav Maharaj, Aiden Markram, Morne Morkel, Chris Morris, Andile Phehlukwayo, Vernon Philander, Kagiso Rabada, Dale Steyn

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:10 am

Why is no one participating in the poll?
I'm the only one who's voted so far.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Leo » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:36 am

^^ Don't Mind but I think the question is wrong. The question should "Whom do you THINK will Win".

Example: I dont want anyone to win but to play good cricket, whoever the winner is. But I think South Africa will Win. It's 70-30.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:40 am

Now India have lost their stroke player up top it will only further lull South Africa into a false sense of security. India with Tendulkar 2.0 are victors from the off. Congrats raja. 1:0.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:01 am

Leo wrote:^^ Don't Mind but I think the question is wrong. The question should "Whom do you THINK will Win".

Example: I dont want anyone to win but to play good cricket, whoever the winner is. But I think South Africa will Win. It's 70-30.


Well, yours is a valid question, no doubt, but so is mine.

I'm not interested in who people think will win. That becomes a question of assessing capabilities - which I am not interested in.

I'm interested in people's preferences. Do more people here want South Africa to win, or BCCI to win? :grin:

We have a few Aussie members - am not sure which way they swing. :grin:

I don't think they care too much for BCCI but then Aussies are not known to be particularly fond of Saffers either.

Hence my question.

If you look at pure capabilities, it's a no-brainer that BCCI will sweep this series. :grin:

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby raja » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:10 am

Boycs wrote:Now India have lost their stroke player up top it will only further lull South Africa into a false sense of security. India with Tendulkar 2.0 are victors from the off. Congrats raja. 1:0.

:lmao:

Yes, that's what I fear too.
I don't know how many Tests they're playing (they usually play three), but with the powerhouse batting line-up BCCI has, and their fearsome bowling attack, spearheaded by Ishant Sharma (with alltime greats like Umesh Yadav, Mohammad Shami and Bhuvanesh Kumar to back him up), I can't see South Africa saving even one Test. Oh, and I forgot Ashwin & Jadeja - the spin twins who weave magic in tandem. Yes, they've mostly done this on home tracks but they know they've a point to prove - and what better time than now. This is a hungry BCCI side.

South Africa, in contrast, look totally lost. They've not played cricket in a while, Amla and ABDV are shadows of the players they once were. Steyn is just back after ages - I fully expect (though I hope not!) him to break down after bowling a few overs. The likes of Rabada will be shown every corner of the ground by red-hot Kohli. And Keshav Maharaj makes Faf wish he had Moeen Ali as his frontline spinner.

Not for no reason are BCCI the top-ranked Test side in the world.

So n-0, BCCI (n=no. of Tests in series).
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:27 am

I think South Africa will win this hands down. Its not a question of who I want to win, I am being practical.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:30 am

That win over Zimbabwe was ominous. Saffers have started the mind games with Steyn saying that Indian batsmen fear the 151 kmph stuff dished out by the Saffers.

Rabada, Phehlukwayo, Morkel, Steyn, Philander, Morris is more than good enough for these flat track bullies.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Boycs » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:54 pm

I think the entire “can’t win outside India” is a huge mind game played by BCCI that everyone has fallen into the trap of. A mind game about ten years in the making.

All for this series.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:40 am

raja wrote:
Leo wrote:^^ Don't Mind but I think the question is wrong. The question should "Whom do you THINK will Win".

Example: I dont want anyone to win but to play good cricket, whoever the winner is. But I think South Africa will Win. It's 70-30.


Well, yours is a valid question, no doubt, but so is mine.

I'm not interested in who people think will win. That becomes a question of assessing capabilities - which I am not interested in.

I'm interested in people's preferences. Do more people here want South Africa to win, or BCCI to win? :grin:

We have a few Aussie members - am not sure which way they swing. :grin:

I don't think they care too much for BCCI but then Aussies are not known to be particularly fond of Saffers either.

Hence my question.

If you look at pure capabilities, it's a no-brainer that BCCI will sweep this series. :grin:


In my experience with a large Australian based cricket forum, many Aussies are more anti-Indian cricket than Anti-Safrican.

A repeated rationale for this was some Indian fans claiming Tendulkar was better than Bradman.

But in practical terms of ICC rankings, it also suits Straya to have Safrica knock off India, and then for Straya to play Safrica and beat them.

I for one am quite interested in this series, and hope we get it televised. But if it goes one sided to Safrica, I am probably more eagerly waiting for the Safrica Strayan series.

I personally believe if not for quotas and injuries and subject to Maharaj proving his class by merely continuing his form, right now Safrica is able to put the best team in the world out on the park and this summer against 2 heavyweights, it is able to prove this. Should it fail, either India has finally succeeded in breaking new ground, or we are just back to the Safrica Aus winning away cycle. If India wins in Safrica, the entire cricket fan world will eagerly wait for their next Strayan tour as an epic battle.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Leo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:16 am

raja wrote:
Leo wrote:^^ Don't Mind but I think the question is wrong. The question should "Whom do you THINK will Win".

Example: I dont want anyone to win but to play good cricket, whoever the winner is. But I think South Africa will Win. It's 70-30.


Well, yours is a valid question, no doubt, but so is mine.

I'm not interested in who people think will win. That becomes a question of assessing capabilities - which I am not interested in.

I'm interested in people's preferences. Do more people here want South Africa to win, or BCCI to win? :grin:

We have a few Aussie members - am not sure which way they swing. :grin:

I don't think they care too much for BCCI but then Aussies are not known to be particularly fond of Saffers either.

Hence my question.

If you look at pure capabilities, it's a no-brainer that BCCI will sweep this series. :grin:



There is a term in politics (Just now I can't remember) that people usually hate the ruling party though those people elected them to be on power. That's why to come into the power for consecutive election is considered as great achievement.

Just like that; in this case, People will not be interested to see India (BCCI) winning presently. :)
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:47 am

Leo wrote:
raja wrote:
Well, yours is a valid question, no doubt, but so is mine.

I'm not interested in who people think will win. That becomes a question of assessing capabilities - which I am not interested in.

I'm interested in people's preferences. Do more people here want South Africa to win, or BCCI to win? :grin:

We have a few Aussie members - am not sure which way they swing. :grin:

I don't think they care too much for BCCI but then Aussies are not known to be particularly fond of Saffers either.

Hence my question.

If you look at pure capabilities, it's a no-brainer that BCCI will sweep this series. :grin:



There is a term in politics (Just now I can't remember) that people usually hate the ruling party though those people elected them to be on power. That's why to come into the power for consecutive election is considered as great achievement.

Just like that; in this case, People will not be interested to see India (BCCI) winning presently. :)


In western countries, Italy excluded, the incumbent leaders typically has an advantage: the first term they blame the previous administration for everything poor, take credit for good changes, and if the economy is stable by the time of the next election, people are less keen to risk change unless change is significantly more appealing due to leadership personnel changes, present economics or military crisis. If failing that those scenarios for increased likelihood of government change, candidates will sometimes resort to appealing to prejudices and/or further financial incentives (both left and right do this) that possibly detriment the state to gather votes.

If you want to claim its politics, say its politics. But that's exactly what raja asked for. But as noone voted for the BCCI to be number 1, I do not get how useful your metaphor is. Almost all Aussie cricket fans want to see their test cricket team ranked number 1. Always. That won't likely change if and when Aussie regains number 1 spot.

But I think even if Straya was number 1, Safrica was number 2 and India number 3, if Safrica did not knock Straya off from number 1 by beating India, there would be still be a large stack of Strayan cricket fans rooting for Safrica and not India.

As for me, I'm sick of watching BBL and would much rather be able to watch Safrica play India regardless of the result.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Leo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:31 am

Paddles wrote:
Leo wrote:

There is a term in politics (Just now I can't remember) that people usually hate the ruling party though those people elected them to be on power. That's why to come into the power for consecutive election is considered as great achievement.

Just like that; in this case, People will not be interested to see India (BCCI) winning presently. :)


In western countries, Italy excluded, the incumbent leaders typically has an advantage: the first term they blame the previous administration for everything poor, take credit for good changes, and if the economy is stable by the time of the next election, people are less keen to risk change unless change is significantly more appealing due to leadership personnel changes, present economics or military crisis. If failing that those scenarios for increased likelihood of government change, candidates will sometimes resort to appealing to prejudices and/or further financial incentives (both left and right do this) that possibly detriment the state to gather votes.

If you want to claim its politics, say its politics. But that's exactly what raja asked for. But as noone voted for the BCCI to be number 1, I do not get how useful your metaphor is. Almost all Aussie cricket fans want to see their test cricket team ranked number 1. Always. That won't likely change if and when Aussie regains number 1 spot.

But I think even if Straya was number 1, Safrica was number 2 and India number 3, if Safrica did not knock Straya off from number 1 by beating India, there would be still be a large stack of Strayan cricket fans rooting for Safrica and not India.

As for me, I'm sick of watching BBL and would much rather be able to watch Safrica play India regardless of the result.



I think you are making it too complex. Let's change the term politics.

People usually do not like who is dominating currently in a particular field. As like people always interested invincible Australia to lose once upon a time. India or BCCI is in that position a bit.
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Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:17 am

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In western countries, Italy excluded, the incumbent leaders typically has an advantage: the first term they blame the previous administration for everything poor, take credit for good changes, and if the economy is stable by the time of the next election, people are less keen to risk change unless change is significantly more appealing due to leadership personnel changes, present economics or military crisis. If failing that those scenarios for increased likelihood of government change, candidates will sometimes resort to appealing to prejudices and/or further financial incentives (both left and right do this) that possibly detriment the state to gather votes.

If you want to claim its politics, say its politics. But that's exactly what raja asked for. But as noone voted for the BCCI to be number 1, I do not get how useful your metaphor is. Almost all Aussie cricket fans want to see their test cricket team ranked number 1. Always. That won't likely change if and when Aussie regains number 1 spot.

But I think even if Straya was number 1, Safrica was number 2 and India number 3, if Safrica did not knock Straya off from number 1 by beating India, there would be still be a large stack of Strayan cricket fans rooting for Safrica and not India.

As for me, I'm sick of watching BBL and would much rather be able to watch Safrica play India regardless of the result.



I think you are making it too complex. Let's change the term politics.

People usually do not like who is dominating currently in a particular field. As like people always interested invincible Australia to lose once upon a time. India or BCCI is in that position a bit.


Well given that India has never won in Safrica, nor Australia, I think you're making it too complex with this talk of Indian domination. India lost its last away series to England, NZ, Pakistan, South Africa and Australia. It only dominates at home. This series is not at home in India.

I'll simplify it further.

There's a lot of very racist Australians. Anti- Indo racism there is stronger than Anti-Safrican. And they really care little if you're from Delhi or Lahore, Hindi or Muslim, either way they'll often refer to you as they do the Lebanese if not worse.

Some Indian fans did themselves no favours for the many of Indian cricket fans after they tried to favourably compare Tendulkar to Bradman. This has helped make Indian cricket a public enemy of many mainstream Aussie cricket fans. Even to a non-racist, such fervent parochial and internet ubiquitous Indian fan apparent bias is 'meme worthy' these days. The 100 international 100's created stat by Indian fans of Tendulkar did Indian cricket fans no global favours here at all. Nor did excessive "Dhoni love". However excessive "Gilchrist love" reflects Indian fans only doing what Strayans have done before them.

However, the BCCI is throwing its political weight around a lot, which to dislike is not racist per se, to a racist only further fuels the flames. Especially when Straya used to do as it wanted and only England cared for developing and growing the international game previously. Now they've both been upstaged in might.

Now compare this to Safrica, an ICC political lightweight with low paid players yet has a team that is very strong, regularly wins away from home, yet suffers quotas (anti-white at that) which makes it weaker.

Now Indians should take pride in the racist resentment of its playing performance and ICC power, but question how to minimize the non-racist unfavorable positioning that the BCCI and its fans have helped create if it cares about its social standing but retaining deserving self pride.

If you really think that winning at home, the Windies and in SL has led the cricket world to think that India dominates cricket on the pitch, you're deluded. India has to win in Safrica and Australia (and England again) to get to this point. The bar has been set by the Strayans before India got strong and good, you have to win in Straya to get their respect, let alone for them to accede dominance. The rest of us, incl the great WI team had to and still have to achieve that and this, so the bar has been set. Just be thankful its far more achievable now with neutral umpiring.

But claiming tall poppy syndrome without first proving to be a taller poppy is problematic. Now if you want to say that some out of spite want to deny India the opportunity to prove that it is a tall poppy - thats not tall poppy syndrome, it may be crab minded syndrome or just flat out prejudice however. Or a whole host of actual self-interested reasons that are not prejudist or spiteful.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Leo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:42 am

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I think you are making it too complex. Let's change the term politics.

People usually do not like who is dominating currently in a particular field. As like people always interested invincible Australia to lose once upon a time. India or BCCI is in that position a bit.


Well given that India has never won in Safrica, nor Australia, I think you're making it too complex with this talk of Indian domination. India lost its last away series to England, NZ, Pakistan, South Africa and Australia. It only dominates at home. This series is not at home in India.

I'll simplify it further.

There's a lot of very racist Australians. Anti- Indo racism there is stronger than Anti-Safrican. And they really care little if you're from Delhi or Lahore, Hindi or Muslim, either way they'll often refer to you as they do the Lebanese if not worse.

Some Indian fans did themselves no favours for the many of Indian cricket fans after they tried to favourably compare Tendulkar to Bradman. This has helped make Indian cricket a public enemy of many mainstream Aussie cricket fans. Even to a non-racist, such fervent parochial and internet ubiquitous Indian fan apparent bias is 'meme worthy' these days. The 100 international 100's created stat by Indian fans of Tendulkar did Indian cricket fans no global favours here at all. Nor did excessive "Dhoni love". However excessive "Gilchrist love" reflects Indian fans only doing what Strayans have done before them.

However, the BCCI is throwing its political weight around a lot, which to dislike is not racist per se, to a racist only further fuels the flames. Especially when Straya used to do as it wanted and only England cared for developing and growing the international game previously. Now they've both been upstaged in might.

Now compare this to Safrica, an ICC political lightweight with low paid players yet has a team that is very strong, regularly wins away from home, yet suffers quotas (anti-white at that) which makes it weaker.

Now Indians should take pride in the racist resentment of its playing performance and ICC power, but question how to minimize the non-racist unfavorable positioning that the BCCI and its fans have helped create if it cares about its social standing but retaining deserving self pride.

If you really think that winning at home, the Windies and in SL has led the cricket world to think that India dominates cricket on the pitch, you're deluded. India has to win in Safrica and Australia (and England again) to get to this point. The bar has been set by the Strayans before India got strong and good, you have to win in Straya to get their respect, let alone for them to accede dominance. The rest of us, incl the great WI team had to and still have to achieve that and this, so the bar has been set. Just be thankful its far more achievable now with neutral umpiring.

But claiming tall poppy syndrome without first proving to be a taller poppy is problematic. Now if you want to say that some out of spite want to deny India the opportunity to prove that it is a tall poppy - thats not tall poppy syndrome, it may be crab minded syndrome or just flat out prejudice however. Or a whole host of actual self-interested reasons that are not prejudist or spiteful.


This is called simplification !!!!! WOW!!!!!! :shock:
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Postby Boycs » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:49 am

I have to ask what tall poppy syndrome is

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:06 am

Boycs wrote:I have to ask what tall poppy syndrome is


Its the intellectual name of the sociological theory or phenomenom that Leo referred to above. He put in bold in case you're wondering.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:08 am

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Well given that India has never won in Safrica, nor Australia, I think you're making it too complex with this talk of Indian domination. India lost its last away series to England, NZ, Pakistan, South Africa and Australia. It only dominates at home. This series is not at home in India.

I'll simplify it further.

There's a lot of very racist Australians. Anti- Indo racism there is stronger than Anti-Safrican. And they really care little if you're from Delhi or Lahore, Hindi or Muslim, either way they'll often refer to you as they do the Lebanese if not worse.

Some Indian fans did themselves no favours for the many of Indian cricket fans after they tried to favourably compare Tendulkar to Bradman. This has helped make Indian cricket a public enemy of many mainstream Aussie cricket fans. Even to a non-racist, such fervent parochial and internet ubiquitous Indian fan apparent bias is 'meme worthy' these days. The 100 international 100's created stat by Indian fans of Tendulkar did Indian cricket fans no global favours here at all. Nor did excessive "Dhoni love". However excessive "Gilchrist love" reflects Indian fans only doing what Strayans have done before them.

However, the BCCI is throwing its political weight around a lot, which to dislike is not racist per se, to a racist only further fuels the flames. Especially when Straya used to do as it wanted and only England cared for developing and growing the international game previously. Now they've both been upstaged in might.

Now compare this to Safrica, an ICC political lightweight with low paid players yet has a team that is very strong, regularly wins away from home, yet suffers quotas (anti-white at that) which makes it weaker.

Now Indians should take pride in the racist resentment of its playing performance and ICC power, but question how to minimize the non-racist unfavorable positioning that the BCCI and its fans have helped create if it cares about its social standing but retaining deserving self pride.

If you really think that winning at home, the Windies and in SL has led the cricket world to think that India dominates cricket on the pitch, you're deluded. India has to win in Safrica and Australia (and England again) to get to this point. The bar has been set by the Strayans before India got strong and good, you have to win in Straya to get their respect, let alone for them to accede dominance. The rest of us, incl the great WI team had to and still have to achieve that and this, so the bar has been set. Just be thankful its far more achievable now with neutral umpiring.

But claiming tall poppy syndrome without first proving to be a taller poppy is problematic. Now if you want to say that some out of spite want to deny India the opportunity to prove that it is a tall poppy - thats not tall poppy syndrome, it may be crab minded syndrome or just flat out prejudice however. Or a whole host of actual self-interested reasons that are not prejudist or spiteful.


This is called simplification !!!!! WOW!!!!!! :shock:


Yups.

A lot of Aussies are racist against Indians. Don't believe me? Engage with them or travel there. Subtlety aint a national trait.

But more are annoyed by excessive Indian cricket fan boyism where SA fan boyism exists less or they have further rational reasons to support SA instead. Don't believe me? Tell them excessively how great Tendulkar or Dhoni were.

Alternatively tell them why the BCCI throwing its weight around is good for World or Aussie cricket. Don't believe me - look which way CA voted before BCCI threatened to boycott the Champions Trophy.

But either way - India aint ever won in Aus or SA to claim dominance of the World Cricket title. Don't believe me - why aint India ever won there if dominant?

Its pretty simple.

What part are you struggling with?

For the record - theres plenty of Man U, M Jordan and LeBron J sports fans in Straya. People who truly dominated their sports - some less than their desrirable white migrants. But there's less Afro Anericans migrating there than Indians. And read how non-Migrating West Indians experiences there were.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Leo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:18 pm

Anything more? :popcorn:
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Postby Paddles » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:27 pm

Leo wrote:Anything more? :popcorn:


That was pretty comprehensively albeit broadly.

Just tell me what part you don 't get :popcorn:
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:45 am

Paddles wrote:
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I think you are making it too complex. Let's change the term politics.

People usually do not like who is dominating currently in a particular field. As like people always interested invincible Australia to lose once upon a time. India or BCCI is in that position a bit.


Well given that India has never won in Safrica, nor Australia, I think you're making it too complex with this talk of Indian domination. India lost its last away series to England, NZ, Pakistan, South Africa and Australia. It only dominates at home. This series is not at home in India.

I'll simplify it further.

There's a lot of very racist Australians. Anti- Indo racism there is stronger than Anti-Safrican. And they really care little if you're from Delhi or Lahore, Hindi or Muslim, either way they'll often refer to you as they do the Lebanese if not worse.



Its not Hindi, its Hindu. Hinduism is the world's oldest religion. It is also the world's third largest religion in terms of adherents after Christianity and Islam. Hindi is a language spoken by many Indians, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians etc. Hindi comes from the Devanagari script but spoken Hindi has many similarities with Urdu.

The universal philosophy of Hinduism is "Vasudaiva Kutumbakam" a Sanskrit phrase which means 'The world is one family'. Hinduism is a non missionary religion, you can be an atheist and yet be Hindu. Some Hindus go to churches or mosques/dargahs too. Hinduism does not prohibit anything. The ethos is very liberal. Hindus go by the philosophy enshrined in the Bhagavad Gita where the concept of 'karma' is given. This 'karma' philosophy inspired Hollywood blockbusters like 'Avatar'.

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Postby Leo » Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:45 am

Good Luck to both the teams :up:
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Postby Boycs » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:57 am

Leo the amicable neutral :P

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Postby Yorkshire » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:50 am

Rumours of Prithvi Shaw includes in Indian team of SOA.16 years Shaw in his debut Ranji trophy hits 5 Century in the seasons besides hits couple of hundred and Dbl in Duleep trophy.

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Postby bolero » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:02 am

Prithvi Shaw is too young. Also, he is right now captaining India Under 19 team in NZ. No reason for him to be included for SA tour !

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Postby Yorkshire » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:23 pm

Jadeja has viral fever but Dhawan practices for more than 20 minutes on Wednesday so SD will open with Vijay

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Postby mukeshkr » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:42 pm

That time India need to do Hard work because they are going to play test match outside of the India. Indian Cricket Team performance outside india was an Average they need to do hard work to beat South Africa in South Africa. Best of Luck Team India your have to face world's strongest Cricket team
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Yorkshire wrote:Jadeja has viral fever but Dhawan practices for more than 20 minutes on Wednesday so SD will open with Vijay


I thought Dhawan wasn’t playing?

Happy to see him bat I like his strokes

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mukeshkr wrote:That time India need to do Hard work because they are going to play test match outside of the India. Indian Cricket Team performance outside india was an Average they need to do hard work to beat South Africa in South Africa. Best of Luck Team India your have to face world's strongest Cricket team


They are not strongest other than their own country but Indians middle order Lacks the technique to negotiate their 4 fast bowlers.Tricky team selection coming up.SRT speaks up first time yesterday of Pandya will be key in SOA

Well I doubt if Pandya and Jadeja finds themself even in the team, for whole of 6 innings.

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all the best BCCI. Just prove all that you are good outside india for once !!

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Yorkshire wrote:Jadeja has viral fever but Dhawan practices for more than 20 minutes on Wednesday so SD will open with Vijay


I thought Dhawan wasn’t playing?

Happy to see him bat I like his strokes


Recovered from ankle injury, however final call yet to be taken whether match fit.

Jadeja is out, suffering from flu for last 3 days.

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Postby Yorkshire » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:18 am

Going South wrote:all the best BCCI. Just prove all that you are good outside india for once !!


Once ? BCCI beat them Twice There! In 2 tests win but never in series win
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India in South Africa, 2006-2007: South Africa won the series 2/1.

The tourists were bowled out for 249 with comeback man Sourav Ganguly top scoring with a hard fought 51, perhaps one of his best Test knocks. The mercurial Sreesanth produced one of his best international performance ever to pick up a five-wicket haul as the Proteas were bundled out for 84. India batted again and it was VVS Laxman's (73) stroke-play that helped the visitors put up 236 on the board. South Africa needed to score 402 in the fourth innings to win the Test and although Ashwell Prince (97) did his best to keep the hsost in the hunt, India eventually won 123 runs to register a landmark win.
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India in South Africa, 2010-2011: Series drawn 1-1

The second Test at Durban started on similar lines with Dale Steyn ripping the heart out of India's batting with a six-wicket haul as the visitors were bowled out for 205. Harbhajan Singh (4/10) spun a magic web around the South African batsmen as India hit back strong to bowl the Proteas out for 131. VVS Laxman's rescue effort under pressure, which saw him miss out on a well deserved ton by 2 runs was the cornerstone of India's second innings total of 228 all out. The Proteas needed 303 runs to win the match but the Indian pace duo of Zaheer Khan (3/57) and Sreesanth (3/45) didn't give them a chance as India won by 87 runs to tie the series.

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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:31 am

Yorkshire wrote:
Going South wrote:all the best BCCI. Just prove all that you are good outside india for once !!


Once ? BCCI beat them Twice There! In 2 tests win but never in series win
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India in South Africa, 2006-2007: South Africa won the series 2/1.

The tourists were bowled out for 249 with comeback man Sourav Ganguly top scoring with a hard fought 51, perhaps one of his best Test knocks. The mercurial Sreesanth produced one of his best international performance ever to pick up a five-wicket haul as the Proteas were bundled out for 84. India batted again and it was VVS Laxman's (73) stroke-play that helped the visitors put up 236 on the board. South Africa needed to score 402 in the fourth innings to win the Test and although Ashwell Prince (97) did his best to keep the hsost in the hunt, India eventually won 123 runs to register a landmark win.
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India in South Africa, 2010-2011: Series drawn 1-1

The second Test at Durban started on similar lines with Dale Steyn ripping the heart out of India's batting with a six-wicket haul as the visitors were bowled out for 205. Harbhajan Singh (4/10) spun a magic web around the South African batsmen as India hit back strong to bowl the Proteas out for 131. VVS Laxman's rescue effort under pressure, which saw him miss out on a well deserved ton by 2 runs was the cornerstone of India's second innings total of 228 all out. The Proteas needed 303 runs to win the match but the Indian pace duo of Zaheer Khan (3/57) and Sreesanth (3/45) didn't give them a chance as India won by 87 runs to tie the series.



So India's winning record in Safrica is worse than NZ's and won 2 tests there - the same as NZ managed in 1 tour in the 1960s?

That's pretty poor.

NZ has never won a series in SA either. Its a tough tour for weaker teams like NZ. Even with the quotas - they remain fairly tough to beat for non Strayan teams. I think England got lucky with SA injuries last tour.
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Re: South Africa vs India: 3 Test, 6 ODI & 3 T20I; January 5 - February 28, 2018

Postby bolero » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:09 am

Yorkshire wrote:
Going South wrote:all the best BCCI. Just prove all that you are good outside india for once !!


Once ? BCCI beat them Twice There! In 2 tests win but never in series win
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India in South Africa, 2006-2007: South Africa won the series 2/1.

The tourists were bowled out for 249 with comeback man Sourav Ganguly top scoring with a hard fought 51, perhaps one of his best Test knocks. The mercurial Sreesanth produced one of his best international performance ever to pick up a five-wicket haul as the Proteas were bundled out for 84. India batted again and it was VVS Laxman's (73) stroke-play that helped the visitors put up 236 on the board. South Africa needed to score 402 in the fourth innings to win the Test and although Ashwell Prince (97) did his best to keep the hsost in the hunt, India eventually won 123 runs to register a landmark win.
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India in South Africa, 2010-2011: Series drawn 1-1

The second Test at Durban started on similar lines with Dale Steyn ripping the heart out of India's batting with a six-wicket haul as the visitors were bowled out for 205. Harbhajan Singh (4/10) spun a magic web around the South African batsmen as India hit back strong to bowl the Proteas out for 131. VVS Laxman's rescue effort under pressure, which saw him miss out on a well deserved ton by 2 runs was the cornerstone of India's second innings total of 228 all out. The Proteas needed 303 runs to win the match but the Indian pace duo of Zaheer Khan (3/57) and Sreesanth (3/45) didn't give them a chance as India won by 87 runs to tie the series.


The common thread in both the wins was Sreesanth. He is no longer there his career ruined by alleged match fixing.

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Postby bolero » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:15 pm

I am concerned about the XI.

Pujara , Kohli and Vijay are certainties. Rahul V/s Dhawan is a toss up as Rahul has a better technique and record abroad compared to Dhawan. But Dhawan gives the ' Hayabusa ' like start a la Sehwag. Dhawan's technique though is vulnerable. Again then comes Rahane who has a good record abroad but wretched record at home. Challenging him is Rohit Sharma who can dominate on his day but fail at other times. Sharma is susceptible to the moving ball early on, a candidate for Philander. Then comes Hardik Pandya who is a lottery.

And then the bowlers.

I would say Shami is a certainty along with Umesh Yadav. If India are going in with 3 seamers + Hardik + Ashwin, choice for 3rd seamer would be between Ishant / Bhuvaneshwar / Bumrah. On current form, Bhuvaneshwar but cant say. Ashwin to be sole spinner. I would have much happier if Kuldeep and Chahal had played, unfortunately I am not the selector.