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England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby baggygreenmania » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:35 am

AUSTRALIAN ODI squad: Tim Paine (c), Aaron Finch (vc), Ashton Agar, Alex Carey, Travis Head, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, Michael Neser, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, D’Arcy Short, Billy Stanlake, Marcus Stoinis, Andrew Tye

England ODI squad to play Australia and Scotland: Eoin Morgan (c), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Sam Billings (Scotland only), Jos Buttler (Australia only), Tom Curran (Australia only) Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood

AUSTRALIAN T20 squad: Aaron Finch (c), Alex Carey (vc), Ashton Agar, Travis Head, Nic Maddinson, Glenn Maxwell, Jhye Richardson, Kane Richardson, D’Arcy Short, Billy Stanlake, Marcus Stoinis, Mitchell Swepson, Andrew Tye, Jack Wildermuth

Qantas Tour of England

June 7: Warm-up v Sussex: Australia won by 57 runs

June 9: Warm-up v Middlesex: Australia won by 101 runs

June 13: First ODI, The Oval (D/N)

June 16: Second ODI, Cardiff

June 19: Third ODI, Trent Bridge (D/N)

June 21: Fourth ODI, Durham (D/N)

June 24: Fifth ODI, Old Trafford

June 27: Only T20, Edgbaston (D/N)
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:10 pm

Never heard of Carey and Neser.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:26 pm

raja wrote:Never heard of Carey and Neser.


you don't read Misty's posts. He talks about Carey all the time.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:32 pm

Katto wrote:
raja wrote:Never heard of Carey and Neser.


you don't read Misty's posts. He talks about Carey all the time.


I do read some of Misty's posts. :-)

Maybe I missed the ones on Carey.

He's not an IPL player, so chances that I'd have heard of him are low. :-)

What about Neser?

Is he the very poor man's Shane Watson?

Just checked his profile - apparently he was born in South Africa.

So even Australia has started this?

Initially it was England, then New Zealand joined the party, now Aussies too? :-)

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:56 am

Never heard of Carey and Neser.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:58 am

raja wrote:
Katto wrote:
you don't read Misty's posts. He talks about Carey all the time.


I do read some of Misty's posts. :-)

Maybe I missed the ones on Carey.

He's not an IPL player, so chances that I'd have heard of him are low. :-)

What about Neser?

Is he the very poor man's Shane Watson?

Just checked his profile - apparently he was born in South Africa.

So even Australia has started this?

Initially it was England, then New Zealand joined the party, now Aussies too? :-)


to pay him some credit, he was on the Carey bandwagon before anyone else here, including the national selectors

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:02 am

Are England hurting after their defeat by minnows Scotland? Is this the loss the current leading ODI team needed?

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby baggygreenmania » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:03 am

raja wrote:Never heard of Carey and Neser.
Carey came to prominence last summer raja when he eclipsed the domestic wicket taking record. That gave him a foothold in rep games and he has made every post a winner. The Sth OZ Redbacks keeper has now leapfrogged Wade, Nevill with only Tim Paine ahead of him in the national pecking order.

Neser is a late bloomer. Came to OZ from Sth Africa as a boy. Has had two solid successive Shield seasons for the Qld Bulls. This year specially. He is now being seen as an all round prospect.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:36 am

Carey impressed vs NZ and Eng this past summer.

He has started intls well imo.

J Richardson and Neser are unknowns for me too Raja.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:42 am

Thanks, BGM and Katto.

I quite like Paine - ok, that's PainE. :-)
Always happy to see newcomers get a chance - we badly need them to come through.
Sure we're going through a major slump right now (let's not kid ourselves we aren't), but hopefully we'll have a half-decent squad when we tour for the Ashes next year. That's all I want - a half-decent squad which plays out of its skin. Even if a 5-0 defeat looms, can't ask for more than giving it your best.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby baggygreenmania » Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:31 am

J Richardson and Neser are unknowns for me too Raja. Jhye Richardson announced himself in the U19s a couple of years ago. He is a product of the Dennis Lillee Bowling Academy in Perth. Work was that he was among the quickest bowlers to attend the academy.. His FC record of 6 m 22 w @28 is not earth shattering. But selectors see something X factor in him. He has the game to play all formats inho.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:25 am

baggygreenmania wrote:J Richardson and Neser are unknowns for me too Raja. Jhye Richardson announced himself in the U19s a couple of years ago. He is a product of the Dennis Lillee Bowling Academy in Perth. Work was that he was among the quickest bowlers to attend the academy.. His FC record of 6 m 22 w @28 is not earth shattering. But selectors see something X factor in him. He has the game to play all formats inho.


I'm tired of hearing about X factors!

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:49 am

Katto wrote:
baggygreenmania wrote:J Richardson and Neser are unknowns for me too Raja. Jhye Richardson announced himself in the U19s a couple of years ago. He is a product of the Dennis Lillee Bowling Academy in Perth. Work was that he was among the quickest bowlers to attend the academy.. His FC record of 6 m 22 w @28 is not earth shattering. But selectors see something X factor in him. He has the game to play all formats inho.


I'm tired of hearing about X factors!


Yeah BGM, Katto clearly prefers Australia's got talent.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:23 am

Paddles wrote:
Katto wrote:
I'm tired of hearing about X factors!


Yeah BGM, Katto clearly prefers Australia's got talent.


I don't think we have that show

we have The Voice though...probably need less of that too

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Loose halo » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:47 am

Carey is a very talented wicketkeeper batsman.

He was the reason South Australia won the Big Bash and is a star in the making if he handles England conditions.

A charismatic player and personality.

Neser can slog and bowl medium pace lucky to make the squad IMO.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Loose halo » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:35 pm

Australia only bowl 7 overs of spin guess they were hamstrung by their poor total.

Stanlake went OK and is great to watch.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:40 am

so I guess we lost

wow ugly scorecard

this could very easily be 5-0

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:52 pm

australian top order sucks. agar is highest scorer? man. i also see 5-0.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Tue Jun 19, 2018 6:31 am

Justin Langer's coaching record

0 wins 2 losses W/R 0.00%

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:48 pm

79/0 in 10 overs is a very good start.

someone put fire and kicked ass in english dressing room.

playing for pride ? ;)

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby The Third Man » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:13 pm

Jesus 500 could be on here

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:34 pm

wow. that was some world record.

kudos.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pm

Katto wrote:Justin Langer's coaching record

0 wins 2 losses W/R 0.00%


I'm going to call it now

0 wins 3 losses W/R 0.00%


Kane would be glad he wasn't part of that bowling debacle

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Leo » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:20 am

Congratulations England.

Ohh . . . . Australia . . . . White Wash is coming ! ! !
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:45 am

James Sutherland should just F-off already

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:56 am

the Langer appointment was a masterstroke :)

Australian cricket is now a laughing stock

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:44 am

remember the time when the Australia 'A' side were too good for England...

the ODI performances seem to have declined dramatically since Sutherland prioritised BBL above everything else

if we're no longer going to take the format seriously, its pointless sending a side on a tour

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:25 pm

Australian morale is at an all time low.
Hope nobody blame Steve Smith & David Warner For all the problems they had. No. they did not play these matches. Team selectors are the main problem not sutherland etc “politicians” who has no idea about the game.

Who are the current heroes of Australian selection panel ? The English want to invite them for a party. ;)

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:28 pm

Australia is just behind on power batting cricket.

They'll catch back up eventually.

They gave us Simon O'Donnell.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:29 pm

Australia is just behind on power batting cricket.

They'll catch back up eventually.

They introduced us to Simon O'Donnell afterall.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:56 pm

I think the problem is systemic

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:46 pm

i doubt they can defend this score

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:37 pm

Going South wrote:i doubt they can defend this score

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:34 pm

Katto wrote:
Going South wrote:i doubt they can defend this score

hahahaha

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:14 am

0 wins 4 losses W/R 0.00%

the story these stats don't tell is that none of these games were a contest

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:01 am

Katto wrote:I think the problem is systemic


Yeah - Australia hasn't thought about its ODI team properly since winning the World Cup. Fielding standards were the first things to slip. Now the balance is all skewed and its been so long since the team had a winning game plan. Stoinis has played 17 games and lost 15 of them. Yet he has been a better performer for Australia.

Now the fact that teams like India have their game plan, and England has their own, (that series should be a cracker because India has all the IPL players to change things around if they lose) Australia was left trying to sort its act out after the abysmal showing at Champs Trophy, but after 10 games against England now home and away and winning only 1, it is clear Australia has some serious work to do on catching up.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:02 am

What's this?
I go away for a week, and you guys allow England to get close to 500!
So many of you Aussies out here - and I have to do all the work? :-)

Seriously, this is not just a decent England batting line-up, they've got some guys in brutal form.
So much so that Root looks completely unnecessary right now.
Roy and Hales were always dangerous at the top - but rarely did both click at the same time.
Now Bairstow has been moved up - and seems to be thoroughly enjoying it.
And Buttler, ever-dangerous, has moved up a few notches after his recent IPL experience.

All in all, England would love to have the next World Cup right now.
Thankfully for its opponents, it's still a year away.

Having said all this, have their batsmen been flattered by the Aussie attack?
I didn't get to watch any of the games - only followed the results on the net.
How bad was the bowling?

The one positive from all this is that there will be no illusions about Australia's chances in next year's Ashes.
Ok, I know it's a different format and all that - but I want Australia to go in next year with ZERO expectations.
Everyone should be predicting a 5-0 for England, so that if Australia even manage to draw one Test, it will look like a moral victory for them.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:58 pm

Langer picking too many mediocre West Australians

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:42 pm

Katto wrote:Langer picking too many mediocre West Australians

Who are the guys pushing for a place in the playing XI?

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:59 pm

raja wrote:
Katto wrote:Langer picking too many mediocre West Australians

Who are the guys pushing for a place in the playing XI?


Its difficult to say at this time of the year and being out of season.
There's a couple of guys who play test matches that are quite quick and skillful that might be considered if they weren't on a Pat Howard break.
Any wrist spinner should be considered too.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:37 am

The good news is we are batting first, so we don't need to worry about England racking up 400+
*looking for positives* :grin:

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:41 pm

Just checked the result - and find that England have won.
They were 114/8 at one stage - and still managed to get the 206 required to win.
Even at 195/9, Australia couldn't finish it.
Buttler is now a totally rejuvenated man, thanks to his IPL stint. :grin:

5-0 drubbing.

Thankfully this is not the Ashes, so it doesn't hurt much.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Going South » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:09 pm

raja wrote:Just checked the result - and find that England have won.
They were 114/8 at one stage - and still managed to get the 206 required to win.
Even at 195/9, Australia couldn't finish it.
Buttler is now a totally rejuvenated man, thanks to his IPL stint. :grin:

5-0 drubbing.

Thankfully this is not the Ashes, so it doesn't hurt much.

hahaha.

English want to play ashes RIGHT NOW!!

what an ass whopping. ouch!!

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby raja » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 pm

I'm fearing the worst for the Ashes next year.
It's not like Australia are going to suddenly find a quality squad within a year.
Or that England are going to suddenly go through a lean patch in 2019.
In any case, England in England always steps up for the Ashes.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:38 am

series averages

sorry tale, particularly the Perth Scorchers attack

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine ... ype=series

Langer's favourites just aren't world class

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby squarecut » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:53 am

What happened to Australian fighting spirit. I never imagined that one day I would find Australians playing with such timidity.

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Katto » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:50 am

squarecut wrote:What happened to Australian fighting spirit. I never imagined that one day I would find Australians playing with such timidity.


this generation is f...ed

maybe its smart phones, who knows

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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby Paddles » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:09 am

Katto wrote:
squarecut wrote:What happened to Australian fighting spirit. I never imagined that one day I would find Australians playing with such timidity.


this generation is f...ed

maybe its smart phones, who knows


Sideways movement is a bit of an issue to score and take advantage of but mostly imo it is team selection philosophy. Aus post WC are rigid in philosophy and a tad backward to readily adapting.

Only SA beats Aus on roads in tests but this success stuffs up limited overs selections imo and means that SA NZ Eng and Ind have Aus on odi roads.
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Re: England vs Australia: Limited Overs Series; June, 2018

Postby bolero » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:37 am

Katto wrote:
squarecut wrote:What happened to Australian fighting spirit. I never imagined that one day I would find Australians playing with such timidity.


this generation is f...ed

maybe its smart phones, who knows


I am echoing what Squarecut says. Australia is like Germany, never say die, what happened ?